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Chris Matthews and his acolytes do not think Obama can control Clinton as SoS. This is a simple smear. And a failure to comprehend Obama. All the people who don’t get it have little capacity to discern.

I had forgotten how sane the Daily Howler is and I’ve added it to my list of regularly-consulted sources. SOURCE

Apropos of the Howler piece noted above, this from MediaMatters is a reminder that the press is no friend to issue-oriented Democrats. It does not explain why but the inference must be its ownership and the salaries it pays out to its talking heads. Sort of like Murdoch and Roger Ailes. SOURCE

Reconstructing — HC goes to Chicago, clearly invited. SoS is discussed. B is clearly open to this. HC and he discuss the vetting. Vet on! says B. That is why HC smiled when asked. Media swarm. Idiot commentary. Ink spilled. Paper wasted. Meanwhile B takes care of business. Upshot — vetting OK she accepts. End of story. Or — vetting done, she does not accept. End of story. Difference. NONE save in the minds of the agitated.

Chicago — a cautionary tale. SOURCE

The Fix provides a completely reasonable explanation for all the leaking. Growing pains and a lot of vetting going on. No big deal. SOURCE

Tapping in to the anger of women regarding Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin SOURCE

Detroit Bailout on Ice … for now. SOURCE

Al Giordano Says He Won’t Link Here or Read My Posts

Graciousness is not among the expected features of blogging. And words of scorn and rejection do hurt. With that in mind, I offer the following exchange from yesterday with a link to the post I was discussing. A prelude to shaking dust from my feet.

The Importance of Having Eric Holder’s Back

My initial response:


Al writes above

I am utterly unconcerned about Holder’s past positions as US Attorney or elsewhere regarding mandatory sentencing, marijuana policy and the rest. In fact, I think his past missteps on these matters will make it more possible for progressive changes to be made regarding drug policies on various fronts. He will provide cover for them.

First, because those stances will help him gain Senate confirmation in ways that an on-the-record anti-prohibitionist would not be able to do. Second, because Obama has been quite clear about changes he would make to certain law enforcement policies regarding the drug war.

Why not apply the same logic to Hillary? What’s good for the goose would apply if it wasn’t so sexist.

I must say I am enjoying this.

Al’s response:

@Stephen Rose

Stephen Rose – You’ve written me a number of times asking me to add your blog to the sidebar here as some kind of tit for tat or logrolling because you link to mine.

But your comment above and the shameless suggestion of “sexism” here give two examples of why I neither link to it nor find it interesting to read, and generally skip over your submissions when I run across them at HuffPo.

I don’t think you have a clue as to the details of the work of the Secretary of State and how it differs from that of Attorney General. That’s fine: I don’t have a clue as to how, say, the Health and Human Services Department operates because it is outside of my areas of great interest. But I’m certainly not going to pretend to know about it or opine as if I do.

Nor are you a careful reader: The main thrust of my argument about Clinton as one mentioned for Secretary of State have been:

A. that the media circus surrounding all-things-Clinton – whether her fault or not (and she is both victim of it and enabler of it) – are anathema to the functioning of diplomacy and the discretion it requires.

B. that she’s a serial mismanager of organizations and bureaucracies and,

C. there are daily tasks necessary at State to protect human rights across the globe that the White House can’t possibly micromanage or even keep track of. Senator Clinton has never at any point in her career showed any consistent interest or passion regarding human rights, has used the issue selectively to demonize some governments for other reasons while covering up for such violations in Colombia and elsewhere. She is hostile to human rights and the doctrine of human rights begun with Jimmy Carter will continue to wither under her watch.

In none of my arguments have I cited her Iraq war vote or voting record, or what clients she might have represented.

The qualities needed to run State are very different than those needed to run Justice. If you can’t see that and therefore want to insist that the same filter ought to be applied to both posts, I can only conclude you don’t know how they work or really what is at stake in either.

My response:


Al Writes:

“But your comment above and the shameless suggestion of “sexism” here give two examples of why I neither link to it nor find it interesting to read, and generally skip over your submissions when I run across them at HuffPo.”

My suggestion of sexism was aimed at me not you. It would NOT have been sexist to apply your logic regarding Holder to Clinton. I hope that’s clear. It would have been consistent.

I am not in a very good neighborhood to safely deal with the rejecting part of your note. Suffice to say that I do have a very good audience of folk who read the Obama Blog and value what I say.

At least you appear to have liked my song.That assuages things a bit.

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Clinton Transposition: The following is what went through my head when I transposed Al’s post in my mind.

I am utterly unconcerned about Clinton’s past positions … In fact, I think her past missteps on these matters will make it more possible for progressive changes to be made regarding foreign policy on various fronts. She will provide cover for Barack.

First, because her stances will help her gain Senate approvals … Second, because Obama has been quite clear about changes he would make …

Al has a background similar to mine in some ways — with a 20 year time differential. Saul Alinsky once proposed that I write his biography, after I did the definitive article “Saul Alinsky and His Critics” on his work with Chicago Churches. I was a theological Yippie in Chicago in 1968. Al later worked with Abbie Hoffman. I was and remain a journalist-activist. That’s what Al is. Our years in New England at points overlapped.

I have recently been critical of Al’s language about “ownership” of Obama’s forthcoming Presidency. I probably helped set up this final exchange with comments posted on a thread about Abner Mikba. SOURCE At that point, Al said there was “no problem”.

Now there is. And for me the appropriate mantra is to shake the dust from my feet and move on.

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Giordano Says Obama Should Wait Until NEXT Wednesday to Announce a Veep Choice

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Al Giordano has the most civilized comment section I know of. Having disabled mine, I respect even more a person who attracts readers who will not troll or otherwise besmirch — a tendency I find at 538.com and many other spots. I think it may be because Al writes THOUGHTFUL posts, maybe one a day. Not to mention that he moderates the posts, but that is in itself no guarantee of quality.

Yesterday, Giordano made the point that any dent Barack could put in the evangelical corpus was a plus, while the rest of the blogosphere was obsessing on whether McCain heard and cheated on the Rick Warren questions or not.

And today, Giordano has suggested we wait all the way until next Wednesday night to hear Barack’s veep choice. Here is a sample of today’s message:

From the (nationally televised) stage on Monday and Tuesday nights of the convention, the phone number offer could be announced again and again, netting many more hundreds of thousands of people to link into the Obama text-messaging network and then receive their instant gratification on Wednesday – the day of the pick. (And, after all, which of those millions doesn’t get a secret thrill out of getting the confirmed news before the Great Mentioners and middlemen of the national media announce it?)

In fact, I can’t think of any really good reason to spill the beans before then. That move would simply suck the oxygen out from Clinton-centric or other “off message” speculation to gain traction or dominate the convention week narrative and would retain a real element of surprise and meaningful theater to the convention itself, upping viewership, and making the eventual choice seem bigger than life: the whole world waiting, together, to find out the news. SOURCE

There is more and I urge you to read the whole post.

Since I continue to hope the choice will be Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer, I have to admit that the likelihood of this being the scenario for his unveiling seems a far stretch. The argument that it would need to be someone who would excite everyone instantly and universally — GORE — is also a stretch. I am perplexed.

The one thing I am not perplexed about is the fact that I feel Schweitzer’s VOICE is badly needed. The convention cannot be a coronation. It needs to be an ADVANCE. And the advance requires conviction to play to all Americans.

We are at a crucial moment with everything tied, and therefore everything in a knot. Even Nate over at 538.com is saying that things have changed.

We may come out of Denver an underdog.

Barack needs to go out like he came in, back in Springfield. A LONG SHOT with a serious vision. It needs to be recovered and fleshed out.

Yes, I know about all the underpinning structure of offices and organizers and so forth. And I know Barack wants us all to relax and be cool.

But I am worried about more than the Republican attack machine. I am worried about five words that a person can use to say why he or she prefers Obama to McCain.

So, whatever happens, I am like the singer in Every Step You Take. I’ll be watching you.

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